This is just . . . WOW! (part II)
In a previous post, I criticized Mark of Proud Atheists for this post. Mark listed 14 things that he simply does not adhere to, given his naturalistic worldview. In all cases, I’ve been finding that Mark misunderstands or mischaracterizes Christianity. Today, we continue exposing his errors on points eight through 14, and offer some concluding thoughts.
I simply do not commit heinous acts towards other human beings simply because I do not have a religious creed. I can stay out of mischief and adhere to human law without needing an imaginary friend to keep me from murdering your pedophile priests and child molesting pastors, too.
Argument by outrage. It is possible to be good relative to other people without God, but is not possible to be wholly good without God. Only the truly ignorant would ever assume that someone would commit heinous acts of evil or are predisposed to such simply because that someone is an atheist.
Conversely, simply believing in God isn’t enough, either. Mental assent to the truth of God and the saving power of Jesus is a step in the right direction, but one must fully repent (or turn from) one’s former bondage to sin. That doesn’t happen overnight, and for many (reference pedophile priests and child molesting pastors) that never happens.
God will work miracles in a person’s life, but that person must submit to the grace God gives first.
I simply do not use terms like “Thank God” or “God bless you” when things are in my favor or when someone sneezes. Do you say, “Bless you” to someone who farts?
Really? Really? I have no comment for this childish drivel.
I simply do not know everything about our universe, nor have I witnessed the existence of a deity or elves and you haven’t either. You were told over and over that “God is watching out for you”. Are you programmed or do you really believe this horseshit? Do you keep a rabbit’s foot in your pocket also? One myth is just as good as another.
“I simply do not know everything about our universe” is the key phrase. You don’t know for certain whether God exists, so why are you arrogantly acting as if he doesn’t?
I really believe what you termed “horseshit.” You don’t know that it’s only a myth; indeed you can’t know that by your own admission. But we don’t have numerous historical, eyewitness claims for the power and majesty of the rabbit’s foot, where we do have the Bible that chronicles the history of man’s dealings with God. And God has been faithful in his promises. And Jesus offers us confirmatory evidence that the God of the Bible is real.
I simply do not understand how one can state that their God can do anything through faith, but yet live on pills and medical treatment. Is your faith limited to your deity only when convenient?
Check here. This objection is common enough, I’ve heard it numerous times before.
I simply do not see most Christians as good or wholesome people. Most people in the U.S. prison system are Christians.
Maybe so, but how many of the “Christians” in the prison system are displaying any signs of repentance? Of the fruits of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23)? How many are acting as Paul describes in Romans 12:9-21? Finally, J.P. Holding, a former prison librarian, comments from experience:
I’ll correct that as one who formerly worked in my state’s prison system as a librarian: Most inmates who sign on to “Christian” are not. Prison inmates profess faiths for many reasons other than true belief: It permits special visits. It often allows certain privileges, including breaks from normal work schedules, or the ability to “stand out” in a crowd of people who dress and live the same every day. When filling out forms, most don’t know they can leave the question of religion blank. And perhaps the most important: The religious buildings have AIR CONDITIONING. Actually, most “theist” inmates are for all intents and purposes deists in orientation. (source)
Continuing with Mark:
I simply do not need the belief in Heaven and Hell…nor do I want it. I don’t want “streets of gold” or to enter “Pearly Gates”. After you guys go to Heaven, the Vatican can supply enough gold for everyone else left behind. Maybe we can finally feed those hungry millions, if we sell it.
This is a typical sentiment of atheists. They don’t want anything to do with heaven. The underlying pretext is that they don’t want heaven because of the eternal fellowship with the God they hate. Therefore, hell is reserved for them, that they may feel the wrath of God rather than fellowship. That’s what they want, after all!
I simply do not believe in an afterlife in which our souls are transcended from our bodies to another place. I do not believe in souls or an afterlife. These things were invented to control the naive masses, not non-believers.
Or, the fact that the belief in some sort of paradise for the righteous and torment for the unrighteous after death is so ubiquitous testifies to the truth of the belief. That humans building a “religion” on it and using it to control the “naive masses” is a corruption of the intent of heaven and hell. Those who falsely teach and mislead the “naive masses” will answer for their transgression in a most severe way (Jms 3:1).
The vast majority of ancient peoples believed in some sort of God or gods, and believed in a concept similar to heaven and hell. Does that mean that all ancient people were ignorant?
My personal experience managing teenagers on what is usually their first job has taught me that with each graduating class, peoples’ intelligences are eroding away. They become more dependent on technology. If that is true, then backing up through time would indicate that the ancient people who believed in God were actually smarter than we are today.
There may be something to that. Our ancestors laid the groundwork for all of the technology that we enjoy today. They invented metallurgy, smelting, food preservation, and figured out which berries were food and which were poisonous (hopefully not the hard way).
However, I do value reality, science, and humanism. These things are my comfort and they are the keys to sanity. Religions such as Christianity and Islam are poisonous to adult thinking. If you believe their doctrines of invasion and conversion are from a god of love, then you should consider changing gods or leaving Christianity (or Islam).
This final statement thus proves Mark’s ignorance of basic Christianity. Christianity is never coerced. The coercive Crusades and the Inquisitions are terrible blemishes forever on the face of Christianity, however they were corruptions of Christian theology, not theology proper.
How one answers the question, “Does God exist?” forever determines the pattern of that person’s life. That is an inescapable fact. Living as though God exists entails repentance from your former self and becoming the person that God desires you to be. This is not an easy choice to make. It is something that I (personally) struggle with everyday. But do it I must, not for the sake of eternity with God but for my own children, that they may learn how to live rightly and love their neighbors better than I ever did.
Christianity was always meant to be a relational religion. We were meant to form bonds and disciple “newbies” in how to live upright lives before God. We Christians were never to try to take over the world; that is something that should never have happened. Mere Discipleship by Lee Camp explains it in much more detail.
Posted on May 23, 2010, in Apologetics, God, Marriage, Morality, Religion, Sin, Theology and tagged atheism, Father, Holy Spirit, Jesus, Marriage, Prayers, Religion, Sin. Bookmark the permalink. 6 Comments.